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From: catherine yronwode 
Subject: Re: AEonic Mystification
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 00:51:25 GMT

[X] wrote:
> 
> And then Frater Achad spoke his Word ALLALA, was expelled by 
> Crowley, and walked naked through the streets to show he had "cast 
> off the shakles of illusion".
> 
> And then Maggie (Nema) of the Ma'at current spoke her Word, to be
> honest I've forgotten what it was, oh yes, IPSOS wasn't it?

Thanks for the reminders of these amazing events. 

> And then in 1989 Joel Biroco spoke his Word JUBALCAIN (156 Current,
> successor to the 93 current). He is currently the last known Magus 
> to have had the audacity to "utter his Word", although in KAOS 13 he 
> also satirised the entire notion and made out it was completely 
> unimportant to him, nonetheless he still uttered it, as maguses are 
> wont to do.

Surely Joel, you know that you are not the last known Magus to have had
the audacity to have done this. 

I well recall when tyagi nagasiva proclaimed the Aeon of the Adversary
in 1996 and uttered the Word of the Aeon, FUCK. He has posted and
proclaimed it pretty often in usenet since then. 

Also, panoptes, a Magus in his own right, has repeatedly proclaimed the
Aeon of Alice, but i do not recall his Word or the number of his
Current. Perhaps he will remind us .... 

Oddly enough, when editing siva's thelema-93 post on Aeonic ambiguities
for re-posting here, i clipped out of it the following paragraph, as
being too specialized for many folks in alt.magick to understand -- but
i shall gladly pick it up and insert it here, because it speaks directly
to what you were saying:

============================================================

here it is prudent (and appropriately arrogant) to explain
some portion of the actual AEon (of the Adversary) and its
Logos, FUCK. one of its many extrapolations, this Logos,
is as an explanation of success in the alchemical Work:
Formula for the Understanding of Conversation and Knowledge.
this relates to the Adventure of the Holy Guardian Angel,
and of the sexual magic proclaimed the interest and even
the speciality of certain secret societies. in fact, the
great deal of attention paid to progenation as part of the
Work is a heinous travesty, as any biologist or ecologist
will be able to explain to the interested. this Word is
as much concerned with the external world and the perfection
of human experience through insightful placement and action
as it is with the internal world of the Magus, whose acute
redirection of energized enthusiasm toward NONPROCREATIVE
aims is astoundingly important to hir overall development. 

     --nagasiva

============================================================

I know you and siva have disrespect for each other, so i find it amusing
that each of you -- and panoptes -- have proclaimed, uttered, and
published an Aeonic Word. 

Cordially, 

cat yronwode 

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[X] wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 01 Sep 2001 03:38:54 GMT, catherine yronwode
>  wrote:
> 
> >Joe Cosby wrote:
> >>
> >> catherine yronwode wrote:

> > Well, let me ask you then, what you think of EATING as the Word of 
> > the New Aeon? Is this "light satire" or an important magical Word?
> 
> You are showing that you don't really understand the concept being
> discussed.

I register your judgement; it is a waste of time; you beg the question:  
 
Aleister Crowley wrote this: "When teeth appear it marks a new 'Aeon',
whose "Word" is 'EATING.'" (Citation below.) 

Now, some had written that Crowley did not use the word aeon in its
traditional astrological sense, and thus we came to the matter of
personal Words -- Crowley himself listed several, (Lao Tzu's TAO, and so
forth) and i mentioned Randolph's TRY, and you said JUBALCAIN was yours,
and i said siva's was FUCK. 

Joe then said that he had initially thought that the siva's Word FUCK
was intended as "light satire" of a true Word of the Aeon.

By asking Joe if he thinks Crowley's word "EATING" was intended as
"light satire," i sought to encourage him first to question his own
perhaps too-set reactions to seeing random words as Words (is FUCK seen
as satirical because it is a common verb dealing with a common human
activity? are Hebrew Words or Greek Words or Arabic Words cooler than
English Words?) and second, i wanted to afford him an opportunity to see
Crowley's texts definitely support a non-astrological definition of the
term "aeon." 

I've also got a question for you, below -- but forst, the Crowley quote
in full, again:

> >from the thelema93-list:
> >
> >>Subject:  RE: [t93] AEonic Mystification (was the hermeneutics...)
> >>Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 11:58:38 -0700
> >>From: "Jones, David R." 
> >>
> >> Do what thou wilt
> >>
> >> Shall be the whole of the Law.
> >>
> >> Let us not forget the word "eating"
> >>
> >> 5. The Grade of Magus is described in Liber I vel Magi, and there
> >> are accounts of its character in Liber 418 in the Higher Aethyrs.
> >> There is also a full and precise description of the attainment of
> >> this Grade in the Magical Record of the Beast 666.
> >>
> >> The essential characteristic of the Grade is that its possessor
> >> utters a Creative Magical Word, which transforms the planet on 
> >> which he lives by the installation of new officers to preside 
> >> over its initiation. This can take place only at an "Equinox of 
> >> the Gods" at the end of an "Aeon"; that is, when the secret 
> >> formula which expresses the Law of its action becomes outworn and 
> >> useless to its further development.
> >>
> >> (Thus "Suckling" is the formula of an infant: when teeth appear 
> >> it marks a new "Aeon", whose "Word" is "Eating").
> >>
> >> A Magus can therefore only appear as such to the world at
> >> intervals of some centuries; accounts of historical Magi, and 
> >> their Words, are given in Liber Aleph.
> >>
> >> This does not mean that only one man can attain this Grade in any
> >> one Aeon, so far as the Order is concerned.  A man can make 
> >> personal progress equivalent to that of a "Word of an Aeon"; but 
> >> he will identify himself with the current word, and exert his 
> >> will to establish it, lest he conflict with the work of the Magus 
> >> who uttered the Word of the Aeon in which He is living.
> >>
> >> The Magus is pre-eminently the Master of Magick, that is, his
> >> will is entirely free from internal diversion or external
> >> opposition; His work is to create a new Universe in accordance 
> >> with His Will.  He is the Master of the Law of Change (Anicca).
> >>
> >> To attain the Grade of Ipsissimus he must accomplish three tasks,
> >> destroying the Three Guardians mentioned in Liber 418, the 3rd
> >> Aethyr; Madness, and Falsehood, and Glamour, that is, Duality in
> >> Act, Word and Thought.
> >>
> >> Book 4 Pt 3: ONE STAR IN SIGHT.

Okay, now Joel, this question is for you, and for siva -- assuming that
you both are serious Magi, not "light satirists," how do the two of you
square your actions with Crowley's straightforward statement that "a
Magus can therefore only appear as such to the world at intervals of
some centuries"? I mean, do you think he was simply wrong? That he was
hedging the field about with a fence to keep other Magi from stealing
his cabbages? Or ...? 

My opinion is that Crowley was fishing for followers, discouraging
rather than cultivating independent thelemics. The person he describes
when he wrote, "a man can make personal progress equivalent to that of a
"Word of an Aeon"; but he will identify himself with the current word,
and exert his will to establish it, lest he conflict with the work of
the Magus who uttered the Word of the Aeon in which He is living" is
little more, in my opinion, than a dues-payer, a beta, a joiner. 

That person is not an individualist. He is, as i see it, a sinner, and
the word of his sin is Restriction -- Restriction to the Aeon of his
Leader, Restriction to the Word of his Leader, and Restriction to the
Will of his Leader. 

Frater Achad knew this, i believe, and i think that is why he
deliberately flouted Crowley's assertion that there must be "intervals
of some centuries" between Magi, Aeons, and Words. 

The Master stands guard like a scarecrow in his fenced field of
cabbages, shouting his Word and demanding dues be paid at the gate.
Outside him and above him, the crows are flying about and calling their
Word to any bird who'll listen. 

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[X] wrote:
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> On Sat, 01 Sep 2001 06:02:06 GMT, catherine yronwode
>  wrote:
> 
> >[X] wrote:
> >>
> >> what occult insights does supposing the Word
> >> of the Aeon to be FUCK lead to apart from
> >> juvenile ones?
> >
> >The occult insights that arise from the practice of sex magic are 
> >fairly well known; you don't need the dots connected, i trust.
> 
> Still, that is not what "the Word" is about. 

You asked what "occult insights" that Word might lead to, not what "The
Word" itself "is about."

Accept the answer to the question you asked. 

> A mere word for rutting in Anglo-Saxon does not a Word of the Aeon 
> make.

A mere quasi-Masonic, quasi-Biblical word may not make it either. 

You are shadow-boxing. 

For my part, i do not follow Crowley so slavishly as to think that there
is one Aeon and one Word at any given time, no matter how often men may
assert these singular truths. 

In fact, i now recall a lovely song of my youthful Aeon, and indeed, it
was The Word. Those who know the tune may sing along:

     A-well-a everybody's heard about the bird

     B-b-b-bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the Word
     A-well-a bird, bird, bird, the bird is the Word
     A-well-a bird, bird, bird, well the bird is the Word
     A-well-a bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the Word
     A-well-a bird, bird, bird, well the bird is the Word
     A-well-a bird, bird, b-bird's the Word
     A-well-a bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the Word
     A-well-a bird, bird, bird, well the bird is the Word
     A-well-a bird, bird, b-bird's the Word
     A-well-a don't you know about the bird?
     Well, everybody knows that the bird is the Word!
     A-well-a bird, bird, b-bird's the Word
     A-well-a... 

     A-well-a everybody's heard about the bird
     Bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the Word
     A-well-a bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the Word
     A-well-a bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the Word
     A-well-a bird, bird, b-bird's the Word
     A-well-a bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the Word
     A-well-a bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the Word
     A-well-a bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the Word
     A-well-a bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the Word
     A-well-a don't you know about the bird?
     Well, everybody's talking about the bird!
     A-well-a bird, bird, b-bird's the Word
     A-well-a bird...

     Surfin' bird
     Bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb... aaah!

     Pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-
     Pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-ooma-mow-mow
     Papa-ooma-mow-mow

     Papa-ooma-mow-mow, papa-ooma-mow-mow
     Papa-ooma-mow-mow, papa-ooma-mow-mow
     Ooma-mow-mow, papa-ooma-mow-mow
     Papa-ooma-mow-mow, papa-ooma-mow-mow
     Papa-ooma-mow-mow, papa-ooma-mow-mow
     Oom-oom-oom-oom-ooma-mow-mow
     Papa-ooma-mow-mow, papa-oom-oom-oom
     Oom-ooma-mow-mow, papa-ooma-mow-mow
     Ooma-mow-mow, papa-ooma-mow-mow
     Papa-a-mow-mow, papa-ooma-mow-mow
     Papa-ooma-mow-mow, ooma-mow-mow
     Papa-ooma-mow-mow, ooma-mow-mow
     Papa-oom-oom-oom-oom-ooma-mow-mow
     Oom-oom-oom-oom-ooma-mow-mow
     Ooma-mow-mow, papa-ooma-mow-mow
     Papa-ooma-mow-mow, ooma-mow-mow
     Well don't you know about the bird?
     Well, everybody knows that the bird is the word!
     A-well-a bird, bird, b-bird's the Word

     Papa-ooma-mow-mow, papa-ooma-mow-mow 

Perhaps it is *all* a farce, Joel ... and perhaps it is all as serious
and true as the heart can conceive. 

cat yronwode 

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[X] wrote:
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> On Sat, 01 Sep 2001 05:17:48 GMT, catherine yronwode
>  wrote:
> 
> >[X] wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sat, 01 Sep 2001 03:38:54 GMT, catherine yronwode
> >>  wrote:

> > Aleister Crowley wrote this: "When teeth appear it marks a new 
> > 'Aeon', whose "Word" is 'EATING.'" (Citation below.)
> 
> Crowley was a talented and inspired man, but I don't regard magick 
> as having ceased its development in 1947. 

Nor i, for that was the year of my Birth. 

> The fact that so many regard Crowley as the "Last Word" on 
> everything has been responsible for the arrested development of the 
> magical current in the past 20 years. 

Crowleyanity is a religion, and as such, it differs significantly from 
any form of magic, in my opinion. 

> If you cite "good" Crowley then I have something to discuss, but if 
> you cite "rubbish" Crowley and credit it with some mystical power 
> simply beause he said it then you offer me nothing to get my teeth 
> into. 

I am always willing to discuss these matters with somneone who
recognizes that there is such a thing as "good" Crowley and "rubbish"
Crowley. So few do, you know. 

> I am interested in his Word received during the workings in Algeria 
> and I don't yet fully understand its significance or where or 
> whether it may have any connection with JUBALCAIN, but I will 
> continue my personal investigations into that. 

Carry on, then.

> In the meantime you have lowered the debate
> into a discussion with no occult significance.

Debate? I see no debate here. 

Occult significance? THAT i see in plenty. 

> >Now, some had written that Crowley did not use the word aeon in its
> >traditional astrological sense, and thus we came to the matter of
> >personal Words -- Crowley himself listed several, (Lao Tzu's TAO, 
> >and so forth) and i mentioned Randolph's TRY, and you said 
> >JUBALCAIN was yours, and i said siva's was FUCK.
> 
> TAO is not a Word of any Aeon, no matter what Crowley may have 
> implied to lame-brains. 

Well, i am glad to see you openly question To Mega Therion. I personally
found Crowley's list of Aeonic Words more presumptuous than revelatory.
As siva noted them, they were 

     Lao Tzu's 'TAO', Gautama's 'ANATMAN', 
     Krisna's and Dionysus' 'INRI (IAO)' 
     (how does he figure? - siva), Tahuti's 
     'AMOUN (AUM)', Moses' 'IHVH', Mohammed's 
     'LA ALLH, and Crowley's 'ABRAHADABRA'

But who was the lame-brain here? The imaginary reader you believe will 
accept what The Master wrote, or The Master, for writing rubbish? 

> Nor is TRY nor is FUCK nor is EATING. 

Then i guess you'd also say that Crowley;s other example, queoted
previously -- SUCKLING -- is not an Aeonic Word either :-)

What makes a word plausibly Aeonic to you, Joel? How can you be so sure
when one is NOT plausibly Aeonic? 

Here: i'll list the candidates, and you, so given to judging, may check
off their Aeonic points -- and lack thereof. 

Word        Speaker       Claimant       Aeon   "Aeonic" "Not Aeonic"

ABRAHADABRA A. Crowley    A. Crowley     Horus     [  ]       [  ]
ALLALA      C. S.-Jones   C. S.-Jones    ?         [  ]       [  ]
AMOUN       Tahuti        A. Crowley     ?         [  ]       [  ]
ANATMAN     Gautama       A. Crowley     ?         [  ]       [  ]
AUM         Tahuti        A. Crowley     ?         [  ]       [  ]
BENDERS     M. Benders    M. Benders     Perp. Muse[  ]       [  ]
BIRD        The Trashmen  The Trashmen   Surfin'   [  ]       [  ]
EATING      A. Crowley    A. Crowley     Teeth     [  ]       [  ]
FUCK        nagasiva      nagasiva       Adversary [  ]       [  ]
JUBALCAIN   Joel Bircoco  Joel Biroco    Kaos      [  ]       [  ]
HEAD        Grace Slick   panoptes       Alice     [  ]       [  ]
IAO         Dionysus      A. Crowley     ?         [  ]       [  ]
IHVH        Moses         A. Crowley     ?         [  ]       [  ]
INRI        Krisna        A. Crowley     ?         [  ]       [  ]
IPSOS       Nema          Nema           Ma'at     [  ]       [  ]
LA ALLH     Mohammed      A. Crowley     ?         [  ]       [  ]
MAKHASHANAH A. Crowley    A. Crowley     Horus     [  ]       [  ] 
SUCKLING    A. Crowley    A. Crowley     Infant    [  ]       [  ]
TAO         Lao Tzu       A. Crowley     ?         [  ]       [  ]
TRY         P.B. Randolph P.B. Randolph  Eulis     [  ]       [  ]
XEPER       M. Aquino     M. Aquino      Set       [  ]       [  ]

And that's not counting THELEMA, which is only the Word of the Law, or
Restriction, which is only the Word of Sin. 

> I had an interesting stand-off with the Magus Alan Moore recently 
> when he humourously challenged me on my insistence that the Word of 
> the Aeon was JUBALCAIN. Rather like Vincent Price and Peter Lorre.

So you look like Peter Lorre, eh? 

Joel Cairo = Jubal Cain???? 

> So I challenged him to utter his Word if he was so hard. He didn't. 
> Point made I rather felt. 

Well, perhaps he had no Word, but he could still choose to contend
against yours, you know. Actually, i'm surpised he didn't shout

   KIMOTA!

-- but then, that's all in his past Aeon, no doubt.

> I have a sense of humour about this, but as far as
> I'm concerned JUBALCAIN *is* the Word. 

Good. That's very good. 

> Whether others accept that or
> not does not concern me. 

That too is good. 

> Perhaps when they have learnt more about it
> they may come to see that it is not simply *any old word*.

Put it on a web page, then, and we can all read about it. 
> The whole emphasis on the notion of an "Aeon" is perhaps creating 
> more difficulties than there need be. Much of this is arbitrary 
> dogma.

You betcha. 

> > how do you square your actions with Crowley's straightforward 
> > statement that "a Magus can therefore only appear as such to the 
> > world at intervals of some centuries"? I mean, do you think he was 
> > simply wrong? That he was hedging the field about with a fence to 
> > keep other Magi from stealing his cabbages? Or ...?
> 
> It doesn't concern me at all. Maguses appear when they appear and 
> that is all there is to it. One Magus cannot by his pronouncement 
> bind another Magus. In fact, if a Magus makes a pronouncement that 
> is later overturned perhaps that shows that he was either not a 
> magus at all or a foolish Magus for making such a pronouncement in 
> the first place. Much of this is dogma to spoonfeed lame-brains.

And why would someone WANT to spoonfeed lamebrains with dogma? What
would be the occult result of THAT? 

> >My opinion is that Crowley was fishing for followers, discouraging
> >rather than cultivating independent thelemics.
> 
> Crowley did some great work. I don't accept Thelema personally, but 
> I think Liber 418 was his greatest achievement and it is from there 
> that the 156 Current sprang. Had Crowley not been so interested in 
> masonic orders then perhaps he would have had the requisite insight 
> to form the 156 current, 

Well said. 

> or perhaps it was necessary first to form 
> the 93  current in order to give birth to the 156 current. 

Not probable, to my way of seeing things. I tend to steer clear of "it
had to be that way" theorizing. 

> >The person he describes
> >when he wrote, "a man can make personal progress equivalent to that 
> >of a "Word of an Aeon"; but he will identify himself with the 
> >current word, and exert his will to establish it, lest he conflict 
> >with the work of the Magus who uttered the Word of the Aeon in 
> >which He is living" is little more, in my opinion, than a dues-
> >payer, a beta, a joiner.
> >
> >That person is not an individualist. He is, as i see it, a sinner, 
> >and the word of his sin is Restriction -- Restriction to the Aeon 
> >of his Leader, Restriction to the Word of his Leader, and 
> >Restriction to the Will of his Leader.
> 
> The Caliphate OTO have committed the sin of restriction, but Crowley
> cannot be blamed for the petty politics that followed his death. 

No one blames him; although i think he might have avoided it happening
had he been clearer about his literary estate. 

> The magical current is a living entity, it chooses where it wants to 
> go. It is now elsewhere than the OTO. 

You often speak with certainly, Joel; i'll grant you that. 

> The new KAOS, which is now 
> over 100 pages, will have a great deal of new work on this.

I'm sure. 

> >Frater Achad knew this, i believe, and i think that is why he
> >deliberately flouted Crowley's assertion that there must be 
> >"intervals of some centuries" between Magi, Aeons, and Words.
> 
> Frater Achad was interesting, but ultimately deluded and Crowley's
> final judgement on him was correct in my view.

I'd say he went around the bend. Crowley wasn't far behind at times.  

> >The Master stands guard like a scarecrow in his fenced field of
> >cabbages, shouting his Word and demanding dues be paid at the gate.
> >Outside him and above him, the crows are flying about and calling 
> >their Word to any bird who'll listen.
> 
> I am neither shouting my Word nor demanding the payment of any dues.
> Trust you may have noticed. 

I was referring to the Master Therion, not you -- see my original post.

> The concept of the "Word" is very
> important in the occult, especially at this time, and it demands a
> more thorough investigation than you are coming up with with lame
> arguments about your husband's "Word" FUCK. 

Ah, the closing slag-off. Predictable.  

> Nonetheless, it is more interesting to 
> have a reasonably cordial exchange with you.

Than what? :-)

cat yronwode 

Hoodoo in Theory and Practice -- http://www.luckymojo.com/hoodoo.html



[X] wrote:

>
> I question within myself the value of continuing a discussion with
> anyone seemingly incapable of ever saying anything at all interesting.

The vulgar _always_ perceive reality or art as being something that's uninteresting.
You just have problems adressing my ideas. The 'Word of the Aeon' concept _demands_ absolutely originality, so
pre-existant words simply cannot be 'Words of an Aeon'. It's as simple as that.

Martijn


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