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To: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.necronomicon,talk.religion.newage,alt.magick.moderated From: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nagasiva) Subject: Az0th: Re: Necronomicon Date: 17 Nov 1995 16:44:33 -0800 [from alt.magick: azoth@netcom.com (Az0th)] 93 XoMBi, : The Necronomicon is a very interesting book...my friend is : actually planning on using it...what should I do? You might start by asking your friend "For what?" and "Why?" };-] All the books I posess called Necronomicon are interesting in their various ways. The Hay Nec. is an admitted hoax and fun to read besides, and if your friend wants to use this one I shouldn't worry too much about it. Giger's Nec. is a picture-book drawn from Giger's own nightmares, and very much admired by those able to appreciate such things. OTOH, the commonly available pocket paperback Nec. by Simon, is a real grimoire written by a practicing magician, and as such is quite capable of being worked by someone with the requisite skill, insight or 'luck', with results varying markedly with the ability and intention of the operator. It's both more and less than it appears, and my opinions on this subject are worth exactly what you pay. There are at least three large classes of people whose advice on Necronomicons you may safely ignore: literary critics, armchair magicians and Assyriologists. Literary critics and Lovecraft afficionado's will tell you that any Nec. must be a fake, since Lovecraft invented the whole idea in the first place. This, besides being essentially correct, is absolutely irrelevant and useless information. _All_ grimoires, and most holy books, are forgeries in some sense of the word. Nobody believes that Solomon actually wrote any of the many Keys that bear his name, for example, yet many of them claim his authority in no uncertain terms. That the Simonite Nec. is a forgery in the sense of not being _the_ Necronomicon should rather be regarded as almost a sort of seal of authenticity, that it is intended to represent the work of a practicing magician espousing the egregore of the claimed provenance for magical, rather than literary, reasons. Armchair magicians will tell you that it's not 'real' magic, of any bonafide 'tradition', and that it won't work, or if it did work, it would be Bad(tm), or if it wasn't actually Bad(tm), it would be pointless. Anyone with some small talent for magick who has seriously worked with Simon's material can verify two significant facts: whoever wrote the thing had real and personal experience of the ritual procedures and their effects _and_ did NOT include every single, significant detail in the published account, as these will be expected to vary with the individual operator. Most of the purely theoretical 'why' is also conspicuously absent. Filling in the missing bits, as must be done with _any_ real grimoire, is a challenging and risky business, but not without its rewards; knowing what's important only comes with experience. Assyriologists and other academics will try to refer you to more reliable sources of Akkadian religious and magical texts, and studies thereof. This is fine and interesting as a side study in itself, but has absolutely nothing to do with _using_ archaic religious motifs and symbols to explore our own 20th Century psyche. Knowing, or knowing insofar as we might, what a Babylonian mage might've thought about the Gate of Ganzir or Marduk's many names is interesting, perhaps, but no place to start because _we're not them_, at least not any more. But to wonder about the Igigi, and then _go looking for Them_, is a magical approach to a magical problem, using ritual tools which must be used to be understood or effective. So we're back to asking your friend "For what?" and "Why?" There really are easier ways of passing the time. };-] 93 93/93 Az0th -- I saw the lying spirits like frogs upon the earth, and upon the water, and upon the treacherous metal that corrodeth all things and abideth not. I saw Thee in these. LIBER DCCCXIII VEL ARARITA - II:8. -- CC public responses to email. TRY : http://www.portal.com/~tyagi/nagasiva.html ______________
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