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Black Magick

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From: nagasiva 
Subject: Re: Black Magick
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:44:07 GMT

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Archibald Worthington-Smythe :
>> ...please explain how it was that Paganistic religion somehow avoided this 
>> dualism, and why religions like that of Zoroaster should not be called 
>> 'Paganistic'. thanks.

> Black Magick, is an attempt to work against the laws of nature, 

given that all acts whatsoever are constrained by said laws, how would one
go about working against them?

> it is an injury to the Will of the practitioner and the "victim". 

do such Wills recuperate in some way? or is the injury permanent?
is there some reason to consider this more seriously than, say,
how easily people at times take offense at statements made in
public forums like usenet? see what I'm getting at? should we be 
concerned that these injuries occur, or try to prevent them for 
some reason? they could as easily be used, projected, to try to
manipulate those who are societally-conditioned and dependent.

> There is usually a victim. 

conventionally I completely agree, though religious institutions
and groups have attempted to broaden the 'victim' class so as to
include innocents including the practitioner, try to displace the
Evil Agent as the Grand Antagonist, etc.  it would help, for
example, if you could provide us with some glimpse into how we can
tell the difference between imagined and real victimization.

> For example attempting to coerce a fellow microcosm to act against 
> their will is by definition Black Magick. hth. 

coercion falls into a group of activities I can see intersecting with
some ideas about "injury to the Will", but quickly loses its ground
when you start talking about whims and Wills, children and nonhuman
dependents, etc.  a goodly number of human endeavors includes the
domination and coercion of 'fellow microcosms', including politics
and the redistribution of wealth, the rearing of progeny, etc.

> On the other hand trying to live forever, has the victim as oneself, 

see? I *told* you eventually the victim would become the magician,
and the Art *itself* would be considered demonic, evil, whatever,
based on the selfishness or solitariness of the mage. religion is
adverse to magic in part because of magic's anti-societal or trans-
societal components that vie with religious dogma for supremacy.

> although most would not understand why doing this is most 
> likely Black Magick.

of course that would depend on whethger it was really possible.
there aren't really very cosmologies where such possibilities
exist and they aren't considered laudible in some way. immortality
is typically the *objective* of Grand Religious Acts, if it isn't
somehow facilitated by the Cosmic God or the Oven making them possible.

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