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Believable Magical Results

To: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick,alt.pagan.magick,alt.paranormal.spells.hexes.magic
From: nagasiva 
Subject: Believable Magical Results
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 21:35:04 GMT

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hi Tom!

#># ...the claims made for folk magic items....

claims made about all different kinds of magical objects are sometimes
quite extreme. Hermetic spells are said to help with mysticism, for
example, and yet I've seen countless examples of people contending
that they practice them and exhibit symptoms of spiritual immaturity.

# Do you believe you can stop a police officer from testifying 
# against you by crossing out his name and shouting foul language?  

any particular individual, or just anybody with a mouth and paper?

# How about mixing up a bunch of the herbs and powders ....?
# Do you think that a careful study of this practice will reveal 
# that it does indeed cause police officers to refuse to offer 
# testimony in court?

how would such a study be conducted and determine results? 
is it as easy as examining spiritual maturity? I agree that
examinations of this kind may be beneficial, but I'm not
sure that the claims and outrageous expectations reside with 
folk magic. one might follow out all magical enterprise to
find the astounding claims by mages.

# ...many people are attached to my opinions ....

not me. I like it when you talk about magic from the perspective
of using it yourself, describing your results, estimating likely
avenues of success and possible routes of challenge or danger.
your contentions about certain types of magic I find less balanced
and more prone to reactive positions, somewhat comparable to ones
I've adopted in response to Hermetic magicians through the years.
I suspect yours are as intentional as my own and engage you on
them when we find intersection, ignoring any feather-ruffling.
let those attached to your opinions sort themselves out. :>

#># What, in your opinion, does magick really do?

#> I could probably go on and on on this subject... but
#> basically focusing one's will, changing behavior to
#> fit one's will... thus by changing oneself one can
#> possibly change the world around them, as well as
#> overcoming conscious roadblocks by affecting the subconcious
# That seems sensible to me.

I'd call that a weak psychological defense of magic's power.
it's one of the strongest supports for magic's value (as a
kind of subjective support device).


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