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Tarot's Application and Process

To: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.tarot,alt.divination,alt.magick,alt.pagan.magick
From: nagasiva 
Subject: Tarot's Application and Process
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 01:03:23 GMT

50040122 vii om 

#> the elements of divinatory consultation of this type appear
#> to be analyzable to (at least):
#>                 A) THE INTERPRETER
#>                 B) THE CARDS (physical objects)
#>                 C) THE ORACLE (i.e. 'The Tarot')
#>                 D) THE QUERY
#>                 E) THE RESULT
#>                 F) INTERPRETATION

Joseph Littleshoes :

might you elaborate on how this differs from A-F above?

#> as such, whether 'The Tarot' can do anything is subject
#> to some dispute. whether people, using cards, can
#> discover things about the past is pretty different than
#> asking, comparably, whether some skilled Adept of the
#> Mysteries, attaining to some exalted state of consciousness
#> and thereby indwelling to the Cosmic Cause, can glean the
#> truth about the past, present, *or* future.

# That's not what [they're] doing though is it? 

dunno, some might have that in the back of their mind.

# that's what 
# diviners and other master of lesser arts are concerned with, 

whether it is a 'lesser art' is a matter of perspective.

# those exalted beings you mentioned would not be needing an 
# oracle....

why not?

#> does the tool
#> function the same way in the hands of just anyone? or is
#> there some kind of skill involved? how reliable is the
#> information given to the skilled? will they bet on it? :>
# Are they carpenters, or bookies?

if they are sufficiently skilled, they could take the deck to
a casino and place bets based on their pulls. I doubt that a
casino would mind too much someone using this kind of 'system'.
only after a system starts to work repeatedly (as does counting
cards with single decks, etc., see "Beat the Dealer" and other
revelations) do the casinos start to become upset about it.

#># [the question] strikes at the heart of what we really
#># believe about the kind of information Tarot reading
#># can provide
#> the premise here is that Tarot provides.
# You will agree that a+b=c? why cant any combination of the 
# cards make as much sense as the "diviner" is able to 
# communicate? ....

the issue wasn't whether it would make sense but whether it
would be an accurate reflection of the real.

#> I'm not arguing
#> one way or the other here, only pointing out that there
#> is probably no consensus as to the premise that Tarot
#> *does* provide things,
# Does that mean you have asked a lot of people? 

I have, and read some variety of contentions about the matter.

# ...i can play the tarot like a musical instrument and have it make
# a coherent "story" every time.  

do your coherent stories bear truth in them that is reliable?

# You are right to debate any meaning this tool may have, 
# any relevance to any "story" it might be telling,
# whether or not it should be told.  Ipso facto, if indeed 
# there is a "story" perhaps we should first try to figure 
# out what it is before we dismiss it.

agreed. the general reply by those familiar with the types of
questions that might be asked of Tarot was that it may be able
to help point one's attention to where to *look* for historical
information, even if it cannot itself present it for us.

blessed beast!


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