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Tarot and Qabalah

To: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick,alt.tarot,alt.divination
From: catherine yronwode 
Subject: Re: Tarot and Qabalah (was ...)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 20:38:57 GMT

J. Karlin wrote:
> catherine yronwode wrote:

> > Madame LeNormand's system---
> Where did she come up with that?

I would assume that you, as a tarot historian, would have more
information than i, a generalist, would have. I don't have much
knowledge about Madamoiselle (not Madame, sorry, my error) LeNormand,
merely a ton of early through late 19th century books and card decks
ascribed to her and presenting variations of her system. I assume she
flourished during the Napoleonic era, to judge from what i have read.
Her system of ascriptions (uncredited) is still used today and Le
Normand style divination cards in several beautiful variations are still
in print from the Swiss firm Piatnik. A comparison between LeNormand's
attributions for playing cards and the Waite-Smith "lesser arcana" is
quite interesting, and Waite's text, as i read it, points to the latter
deriving from the former, not the other way around. 

cat yronwode

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Pearlz wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Mar 2002, catherine yronwode wrote:
> > Pearlz wrote:
> > >
> > > Prior to the Golden Dawn, what system was used for the minor arcana?
> >
> > Madame LeNormand's system was without a doubt the most popular method
> > used when ascribing visual symbols and divinatory meanings to playing
> > cards (which equate to what in GD-style tarot set-ups are called the
> > "minor arcana" (lesser mysteries)).
> Thanks!  I will try to locate a copy.  I have a feeling this won't
> be easy.

 Actually, many early to mid LeNormand style card decks and books are in
print. About a year ago siva spent a while keying in texts from a batch
of his and my 19th century card-divination books, but he set that
project aside to work on other things and then, due to some hard drive
upgrades and consequent data transfer problems, the material went into
deep electron storage, from which it only recently re-emerged, praise be
to Bob. I have been urging him to get it all online, and i will probably
help him with this, AFTER our next mutual project, the Dr. Strange
(Marvel Comics) index of magical spells. 

cat yronwode 

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