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To: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick,alt.divination,alt.tarot,alt.magick.theurgia,talk.religion.newage From: nagasivaSubject: Tarot and Destiny Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 10:20:58 GMT 50030428 VII om peace #># ..."The Destiny", is really possible to change it? #># What is the destiny? Characteristics of the destiny[?] "destiny" obtains inside theories of the cosmos which extend beyond the present into some kind of "Cosmic Plan", typically set into motion at least, if not continually overseen, by some kind of Great Hierarch. this kind of cosmology is in no way required, however. for example, in Hermetic thought, the theory of emanations (apparently traceable to Plotinus if not preceding him to others) makes it possible, according to Platonist and Neo-Platonist theories, to influence the way reality "manifests" by having some kind of influence on more subtle planes (often more rational, intellectual, and sometimes intuitive). "destiny", in similar conceptual structures, can attach to something particular set into stone and restricted to certain individuals by some kind of agent. an example taken from fiction, OUTSIDE that of the predesignation of a Great Creator God, would be the ascendency to the throne by Arthur King of the Britons, facilitated by Merlin who claimed that the destined king would be able to remove the sword he placed there and presumably manufactured by virtue of the fact that Merlin is the one supposed either to have put the blade there himself, or at least to have uttered some kind of spell by which it might be possible to constrain "authoritative succession" -- as in the case that Arthur's father wedged the blade into the stone in anguish or anger before his untimely demise, leaving no clear successor to follow him. outside such theories of Cosmic Plans, whether made by a Cosmic Divinity or some Magus, there is no reason to suppose that "destiny" has much meaning beyond aptitudinal predisposition and hope, and usually the term "potential" is applied to the cards indicating the future possibilities given the choices made by the querent in the future. fortune-telling decks, as Le Normand or The Parlour Sibyl, sometimes bespeak such certitude as destinies in their Little White Books accompanying the decks. as often as not, however, from what I have seen, they try to distance themselves from acts of prognostication. in no small measure this is probably done in order to avoid treading on the toes of Western religious who have been doing it and calling it "prophecying" for countless centuries, influencing secular society to punish those outside its authority who engage in competitive activities like magic and divination (demoted to "speculation", "superstition" and "fraudulence" when not demonized). the integration of some kind of *angelic agent* in association with the decks (as with the Harris-Crowley 'Thoth' and precursing Golden Dawn decks from which this is clearly derived) complicates matters. in his "Book of Thoth", for example, Crowley repeats the old attention to the angel "H R U" (an acronym? some contraction indicating Horus? Thoth?) in consulting with tarot, and by this we may infer that insight gleaned from the deck using this recommended method is therefore as much theurgic as it is oracular. overlapping consciousness between the tarot medium cartomancer and that of the divine in some kind of mediumistic trance was probably given its greatest recent underscore by the Spiritualist movement during the turn of the 20th century (1850-1910), whose focus on "Destiny" tended toward the Christian and predeterministic. presumably the more faithful and sensitive reader would be given some kind of insight by virtue of co-intelligence with the Cosmic God, or with some kind of proto-scientific Cosmic Library by which all knowledge might be accessed or attained (e.g. "the Akashic Records" so successful within quasi-Hindu propaganda). #> For people here, I would hope the answer is trivial. of course it isn't trivial. the issue of "Free Will vs. Determinism" is an age-old philosophic quandry which is not likely to go away any time soon as it includes the very real analysis of choice and predictive observation. it is as much a psychological as a metaphysical issue. #> If you can't change the future, then what is the point #> of doing a Tarot reading? this is a very important question. in order to answer it, one must initially resolve some fundamental philosophic issues: * is the future extant and/or determined, or can decisions be made today that will affect it? this issue usually underlies a good number of religious testimonials which support conversion and explain the purpose for evil in the world. if such a Plan obtains and it includes us (the back door to conversion is to claim that our choices are the only ones not strictly determined by the God, since all of the universe is set up to test us, morally), then there is no reason for us to carefully consider the argument provided to us as to why we should act morally, or along certain moral lines described as 'Good' or 'in line with the divine' because our behaviours don't influence the course of the future. without evidence of some kind of "multiple universes" or a "cosmic plan" by which the cosmos is unfolding (different than natural principles which guide such extension), there is no reason to think that anything exists beyond the present moment, all previous moments passing on the raw materials by which, through causes and their effects, the present has come to be. * can insight be obtained into the future, whether or not such a future is predetermined? even if the future is changeable in some sense, this is no guarantee that there is a method by which we may obtain an accurate assessment of its configuration and content. presumably those who rely upon cartomancy for this kind of insight (whether by extension as just one of a number of means mediums use, or by virtue of the pre-eminence and power of the actual object itself in a grand sense -- like 'The Yijing' -- or in small, as in 'my cards which I have treated and empowered') will start with the presupposition that such insight can indeed be obtained and that they are using the means they trust to so obtain it -- in this case we are considering the use of tarot cards to glean it. having arrived at certain metaphysical doctrines which will support our conference with tarot, the issue of what point there might be in engaging a tarot reading will vary according to these. for example, if we can't change the future because it is mediated by a variety of presently-contributing causes, rather than that it has been preplanned and destined by some incontrovertible divinity, we might assess the circumstance as without any changes of attitude or intent to the contrary, this appears to be the expectable outcome. in this case the previously-destined future might be changed by alteration of thought and deed on the part of one of the previously-contributing factors to the overall outcome gleaned by insight from the cards. as such, tarot might be a means to gauge the likelihood of any particular outcome, an orientational device that helps those who otherwise tend to operate by consideration of immediate, rational evidence. this is not "changing the future" so much as taking an active part in making the present come out as one would like. even if the future is COMPLETELY set into stone and there is no chance of altering the course of events, only knowing more about them, then consulting the tarot may be rationalized as a means of coming to INNER PEACE with respect to it, at least, possibly even protecting oneself against any suddenness and irritating character we have the indiscipline to allow -- much as hearing a weather report for the region to which one is travelling will allow one to bring along appropriate gear and prepare oneself emotionally for the impending event beyond one's control. forewarned is forearmed, so it is said. # I think like [P.] when he says (the destiny) # "...is not fixed". Ok, its really so. having decided that, you are free to participate in the way things come to be the way they will be. tarot becomes, from this perspective, a way to orient and profit from a kind of insight into the present and possible future, at best. at worst it is a flimsy placard upon which to project our fears and hopes through its symbolism, being consigned to the favour of the gods and alerted to our fortune or misfortune through the mechanism of the cards. # But I belive the destiny is "manageable", too. # I think it exists with a "big destiny", this is not manegeable, # it is our big mission in this world, but the way to finish it, # we are in a travel with very ways, good ways and bad ways (i # don't to mix with religious ideas), I talk about ways with # problems the they have more or less difficulty for each person. # I call to these ways, "small destinies". Both, small destinies # and big destiny, are to predictable with a Tarot desk. if big Destiny includes all things great and small, and all of it is predetermined, then tarot can add nothing to help us. it can only give false hopes and pre-planned feelings to us but offer us no leverage to change a pre-designated future. if small destinies in the form of individual lives are for some reason excluded from this big Destiny (as is often described by the religious for the purpose of moral testing by the Cosmic God), then tarot only helps if it illuminates the areas which are distinguished between big Destiny and small destinies. for example, if all the universe is some kind of Cosmic Classroom for souls and our decisions within it (as to worship or support one religious faction or another and thereby come to benefit or suffer according to allegiance with the cult and its God), then tarot only helps us where it makes it known what our actual choices truly are, what our actual influence might be, and how we might best conform to the Cosmic Plan as we encounter it in our daily lives. it is for this reason that some religious will maintain that tarot *itself* is evil, because it might give the mistaken impression that truly variable options, such as what deities we worship, are unimportant, or that since we can't obtain insight into the nature of the real through a method not approved by the cult and its God, tarot serves merely to confound and confuse, leading ever away from the Grand Architect of the Cosmos and Hir boons. # Normally, # when a person go to a Tarot reader, he/she asks for a "small" # destiny, they aren't interested for the big destiny, sometimes those who go to diviners of various types hope to obtain insight into "life's meaning" (i.e. big Destiny), thereafter settling for small destiny's reflections -- and these latter can more easily be recorded and compared with experience, whereas the big Destiny is more difficult to understand and see how it might apply (besides being far more difficult to support or falsify than a prediction about future life events). # and often the Tarot reader only can offer them this, # because Tarot readers are not enabled to start a # reading about themself "big destiny". I don't understand this completely so may be responding to something you didn't intend, but it seems less the case that tarot readers are UNABLE to read on big Destiny as much as that one has not the presupposed coincidence of authority to do so by the querent (unless the reader is simultaneously a clergy of their agreed Cosmic God, which is sometimes the case, but not usually). of course some presuppose a strictly *technical* and often unexplained restriction on readers that we can not read for ourselves, but I'm unsure this is your meaning. perhaps you were saying as I have above that the authority to do a big Destiny reading is not given, and this is in no way conferred upon the reader by the querent when the querent establishes that the reader will be doing a reading (whatever this may include). i.e. it is a social contract for insight into small destiny (fortune-telling, or present-orientation) and not for big Destiny (general orientation and initiation, which typically only pertains within chosen cults or occupational aptitude-testing institutions). all the above said, I find it valuable to use, without certain belief, specific predispositions of "Destiny" in a combined cosmic and personal sense. some mages describe this in their preferred metaphysical or symbolic terms (e.g. "Taking the Oath of the Abyss"), and my use of such paradigms of Destiny functions more as an operating platform than it does as some kind of Ratified Truth About Authority (TM). the most common personal Destiny I can think of is that of the Special Cosmic Role. within it, one may presuppose one's special position and active part in an unfolding, if not completely predetermined, cosmic outcome. examples of this are numerous, and particularly within religious doctrines about unique (and usually fictional) personal experiences, such as the role of Messiah for the figure of Christ Jesus, Buddha for Siddhartha Gautama, and Rasul for Allah's Muhammad (may peace be upon him). amongst magicians this can take the form of delusions (or projections) of grandeur presupposing authority and power which does not obtain except perhaps within their cult following. this role is given form in such fiction as that of Marvel Comics' Doctor Strange, who is variously, and more and more acceptably, "Master of Black Magic", "Master of the Mystic Arts" and "Sorcerer Supreme" or in the life of celebrity occultists such as Crowley, proclaiming himself "To Mega Therion", and "The Priest of the Princes" and "The Prophet of the New Aeon". sometimes this merely resides in one's role as a "sensitive medium" or "soundboard for the divine", providing as it were a means for the prospective querent to access the hidden secrets of the universe, whether Cosmic Plans that will have an affect upon a personal life, or Cosmic Mysteries of which those who reflect on the tarot may come into experience. nagasiva -- yronwode.com@nagasiva; http://www.satanservice.org/ emailed replies may be posted; cc replies if response desired; HOODOO CATALOGUE! send street addy to: catalogue@luckymojo.com
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