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Changing lines considered harmful

To: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.lucky.w,alt.magick.chaos,alt.divination,alt.magick
From: les diaboliques 
Subject: Re: Changing lines considered harmful
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 02:50:22 +0000 (UTC)

On 28 May 2002 18:02:24 -0700, Slarty@ureach.com (zaphod) wrote:

>les diaboliques  wrote in message news:<8uc0fu49blnvmn2oehkns1hbi3d1at6uid@4ax.com>...
>> On Sat, 25 May 2002 16:32:14 -0700, "Tom" 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >
>> >"zaphod"  wrote in message
>> >news:42e37222.0205251343.70b07c82@posting.google.com...
>> >> "Tom"  wrote in message
>>  news:...
>> >> > "zaphod"  wrote in message
>> >> > news:42e37222.0205221354.5088f678@posting.google.com...
>> >> > > "Tom"  wrote in message
>>  news:...
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > The title is "The Book of Changes".
>> >> > >
>> >> > > You seem sure of yourself.  The data I have suggests that 'Flux tome'
>> >> > > would be a better translation.
>> >> >
>> >> > How come I can't find any scholarly sources that agree with you?
>> >> >
>> >> > What data are you referring to?
>> >> >
>> >> > Why do you think "Flux tome" is better?
>> >>
>> >> in ansewer to your first and second question: I don't want to convince
>> >> you to a strong enough degree to check up on these matters.
>> >
>> >Or you're just talking through your hat, which is much more likely.
>> >
>> >> In Answer to your last question:  As an attempt at improved
>> >> translation of tyhe title, the argument I read seemed to have the
>> >> proverbial ring of truth to it,
>> >
>> >You mean the argument that you can't or won't talk about?
>> >
>> >Yup.  Right through the ol' chapeau.
>> >
>> 
>> Yes, quite. There are two Chinese characters in question, one is "yi",
>> which means "change", of which "flux" is a near-synonym that gets away
>> from the original etymology of the character (a Shang rite to change
>> rainy weather to sunny weather), the other is "jing", which means
>> "classic" or "book", of which "tome" is an archaic variant.
>
>
>The I' Ching is on old book.  VERY OLD.  Perhaps an archaic variant is
>appropriate.  It's one of the confucian and one of the taoist classics
>of china.  It is for large and classic and old books that the term
>tome is most appropriate.  

You are merely engaging in self-justification. The Yijing belongs to a
class of books known as "jing". It was canonised thus in the Han
dynasty to distinguish it from books known as "wei", or apocrypha.
Jing refers to the warp of a fabric, wei to the weft. Jing means book
or classic. Tome is just an old-fashioned English word for a large
book. Don't pretend to knowledge you do not possess. 

>I'm not sure what possesses you two to
>attack my pint of view with more ferociousness than is appropriate to
>the issue,

Mainly because you are persistently stupid in asserting as truth and
fact things which are false.

>and the evedence, but I recognise that there is/are some
>other type(s) of issue(s).  Such should be handled outside the context
>of this.  You can counter that I'm paranoid in so beleiving, but I do
>beleive such, and won't much care.
>
>
> Really
>> profound this "Flux Tome" business, obviously.
>
>
>
>You remind me of a French comedy writer.
>
>I would like to point out that neither of YOU have shown YOUR
>arguments.

On the contrary, I have spelt everything out to you in very simple
terms. You have a problem accepting that you are clueless, that's all.
You think having the Yijing on your shelf for 11 years is the
equivalent of studying it for 11 years. If you had studied it in the
slightest you would have picked up and understood the allusions I made
to it. You did not. Therefore your knowledge of the book is mediocre.
So do not pretend to knowledge and attempt to lead other people astray
with such crass statements as "Changing lines are harmful".

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