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Subject: The Georgia Guidestones compiled from e-lists and usenet, 1995 - present spelling and format editing has occurred within these posts; some email addresses may be out of date. Subj: Georgia Stone Monument Date: Sat, Aug 5, 1995 12:01 PM PDT From: fburke@ccnet.com To: sustag-principles@amani.ces.ncsu.edu (Sustag Principles) Here's a clipping from TheMMList that may be of interest... Fred Burke -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Date: Sun, Jul 30, 1995 9:29 AM EST From: ENCORE9016@AOL.COM Subj: Georgia Guidestones To: TheMMList Hi all, after 14 years of saying "Gotta get over to Elberton and actually see the Guidestones, my husband and I and our four Basenji dogs finally got there last Thursday. The problem for us was that Elberton lies just far enough off I-85 to be a major detour at the end of any trip, and it's a poky three hours cross lots on back roads to get to from Jasper, GA, where we live. It was the famous "You can't get there from here" problem. We stopped first at a little museum maintained by the Elberton Granite Association (? -- hmmm, think that's it) where they have a big room devoted to various aspects of the granite operation in the area, plus information on the Guidestones, examples of local sculptures made from Elberton Granite, etc. They also have a VCR setup with a short tape discussing the Guidestones. This tape takes about 20 minutes, and the first part is the most interesting. In this, the bank president and the president of the granite company chosen to do the work discuss the mysterious stranger and their reaction to the project. Here's some of what I recall from the tape. Wish I'd taken notes! I think I'm being pretty accurate in my recollections, however. Joe Fendley, President of the Elberton Granite Finishing Company, Inc., was approached first by the mysterious stranger. One afternoon, a man identifying himself only as "Mr. Christian" appeared in his office and outlined a project he had in mind that involved building a large monument to "conservation." Mr. Fendley said he explained to the man that their company normally only did wholesale work, and didn't take on direct commissions like this. But as Mr. "Christian" further explained his concept, Mr. Findley says, he became quite intrigued with the unique project. Enough so that he put Mr. Christian in touch with both local banks. Mr. Christian selected Wyatt C. Martin, President of the Granite City Bank to be the intermediary for the project. Mr. Martin said he insisted that Mr. R.C. Christian, as he now introduced himself, reveal his real identity to Mr. Martin so he could check him out for validity. This was done, Mr. Martin was satisfied the project was on the level, and agreed to carry it out. Mr. Martin pledged never to reveal the true identity of the Mr. R.C. Christian, and has never done so. The sponsors of the Guidestone remain unknown to this day. Mr. Martin said that Mr. Christian wanted the stones erected in a remote area away from the main tourist centers.He also said Georgia was selected because it had high quality granite, a mild climate, and the fact that Mr. Christian's great grandmother was a native Georgian. Because of the cost of transporting the massive stones, Mr. Martin suggested that to work within the funds available, a local site should be selected if at all possible. After a day spent touring various options, one was selected, on top of the highest hill in the county. Mr. Christian appeared one more time (can't remember which person he visited, sorry) and had with him a shoebox containing a model of the monument he wanted put up. The speaker on the video here opens a shoebox and sets up the pieces of the model. The rest of the video is devoted to news broadcasts and special feature broadcasts about the Guidestones. A segment of one broadcast had the pastor of a local church being interviewed. This gentleman was not at all happy about the entire thing, and darkly predicted that there would be "blood sacrifices" made at the site of the Guides, etc. and appeared to believe that the entire concept of the Guidestones was evil and pagan etc. etc. etc. The museum has a two page brochure about the stones, and free picture postcards available also. The pleasantly helpful lady at the desk said she didn't know anything really about the Guidestones, but that we couldn't miss them because they were close to the highway. We thanked the folks at the Museum, and headed out state highway 77 the 7.2 miles to the Mullenix farm. Sure enough, there on the right side of the road was the monument, clearly visible. A small sign marked the turn-off onto a paved road leading to the site. After weeks of unbearably hot weather and clear skies, we were now having overcast skies, showers in the distance, and muggy humid conditions. The Guides themselves are on a concrete foundation surrounded by gravel. There is a small parking area for maybe four cars, and a small area is fenced off around the stones to keep the cows and the tourists apart. No real attempt seems to have been made to maintain the area as an attraction because we were greated by a discarded dirty rag, a pile of dog poop, and further on by the base of the Guides, a smashed beer bottle. Numerous cigarette butts were strewn around, and we suspected this spot was used by underage teens for private personal parties. While this may be the highest spot in the county, don't picture anything more than a very small gentle rise in the surrounding landscape. There was a clear view of the horizen in all directions, and evidently this was a factor in the choice of the site. The clear view also includes, inevitably, chicken houses, private homes, cows in the field, a barn, etc. etc. There is a granite slab set into the ground near the Guidestones that says it covers a time capsule, but nobody has gotten around to engraving the dates on it -- the date it was filled, and projected opening date remain blank spaces. This slab also gives information about the capstones, and seems to indicate that the words "Let these be Guidestones For An Age Of Reason" (or something very similiar, again, I wish I'd taken notes) are engraved on the very top of the monument, visible only from the air. The same words, in the four dead languages, are on the four sides of the main capstone. The monument itself has a very commanding presence. Looking upward, the words tower over the viewer, yet can be clearly read. The center capstone (The Gnomen stone), appears as a T shape in between the four angled slabs containing the Guides. The general effect is serene, yet powerful. The stones are dramatic, and while they obviously don't cover the same area as Stonehenge, the comparison is valid. I felt as though I was standing at the beginning of a corridor of time stretching forward. At Stonehenge, of course, that feeling is also there, but reversed. We proceeded to snap pictures of ourselves with the Basenjis and the monument. Since the Basenji is such an ancient breed we felt it was appropriate to include them in the photos, and in fact, that is one reason we were traveling with all four of ours. With one last tour around the base of the Guidestones, we packed up the dogs and headed off with a satisfied feeling of accomplishment. We suspect that the local folks don't make much of a big deal or tourist attraction out of the stones because they don't want to be flooded with bunches of air-headed space cadets with both feet firmly planted in midair -- the so called "Ozone Rangers" of the New Age fringe. Also, since rural Georgia is predominantly fundamentlist Christian in its beliefs, some of the more rigid philosophies preached locally may well reflect the statements made by the local minister in the VCR interview. And, I have seen in small news reports in the Atlanta press that the Atlanta pagans, especially the local Druids, hold ceremonies there at certain important dates, and that weddings have been held at the site, etc. etc. This would not be encouraged by the local folks. Evidently this sort of thing occured to Mr. Christian also since he wanted people to seek out the stones, rather than have them become tourist objects. "There Hank, we've had our picture made with them thar stone thingies, hurry on now, or we'll miss feeding time at the rattlesnake ranch....." Should you be in the Athens, Georgia area and have some time, the Guidestones are not that far away (around an hour) and the drive is through pretty little old towns, some with antebellum homes. The museum is open from 2-5.pm. and is located on state highway 72 coming into town from the west. Sally Ann Smith, Encore9016@aol.com --------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------- GUIDESTONES -- ASTRONOMICAL ASPECTS The following is taken from the flyer on the Guidestones available at the Granite Museum in Elberton, Georgia. --------------------------------------------------------- Astronomical Aspects "The four large upright blocks pointing outward are oriented to the limits of the migration of the moon during the course of a year. "An eye-level, oblique hole is drilled from the south to the north side of the center Gnomen stone so that the North Star is always visible, symbolizing constancy and orientation with the forces of nature. "A slot is cut in the middle of the Gnomon stone to form a window which aligns with the positions of the rising sun at the Summer and WInter Solstices and at the Equinox so that the noon sun shines to indicate noon on a curved line. "The capstone includes a calendar of sorts where sunlight beams through a 7/8in. hole at noon and shines on the south face of the center stone. As the sun makes its travel cycle, the spot beamed through the hole can tell the day of the year at noon each day. Allowances are made because of variations between standard time and sun time to set the beam of sunlight at an equation of time." --------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------- Subj: Georgia Guidestones: Statistics/History Date: Mon, Aug 7, 1995 10:10 PM PDT From: Cyronwode@aol.com To: sustag-principles@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Follow-up #1 on the Georgia Guidestones, forwarded with permission from e-mail -- and, folks, this is AMAZING!!! catherine yronwode -----begin forwarded message from ENCORE9016@AOL.COM------- Date: Mon, Aug 7, 1995 6:39 PM PDT From: ENCORE9016@AOL.COM Subj: Re: Georgia Guidestones To: Cyronwode@aol.com Glad you found the post interesting. Yes indeed, there is more, which I'm sending along to you. --------------------------------------------------------- From the "official" handout-- The Guides were commissioned in 1979 and erected in 1980. Overall Height: 19 feet 3 inches Amount of Granite: 951 cubic feet Weight (grand total): 237,746 pounds, or approx. 119 tons Four Upright Stones: 6ft 6in wide; 16ft 4in high; 1ft 7in thick Weight 42,437 lbs each on average One Center Stone (Gnomon Stone): 3 ft 3in.wide; 16ft 4in high; 1ft 7in thick. Weight 20,957 lbs One Cap Stone: 6ft 6in wide, 9ft 8in long; 1ft 7in thick, Weight 24, 832 lbs Four Support Stones (bases): 7ft 4in long; 2ft 0in wide; 1ft 4in thick Weight 4,875 lbs each (average) One Support Stone (base): 4ft 21/2in long; 2ft 2in wide; 1ft;7in thick Weight 2,707 lbs Description of lettering: Over 4,000 sandblasted letters, each approximately 4 inches high. --------------------------------------------------------- The following copyrighted material is from an unpublished manuscript, "The Journey Home," by Ben Osborne and Sally Ann Smith. NOTE: I (Sally Ann Smith) rewrote this book for Ben, who died before the contract with the publisher was signed. Because of problems with his estate, I seriously doubt if the book will get into print. But who knows ... Hence I don't have the hard references for the assertions he makes about the Native American prophecies, etc. ------begin Ben Osborne and Sally Ann Smith material ------- The Hopi Indians and their ancient shamans say "signs" will foretell the time when the fifth world, a new age, will begin. Many believe we now stand on the threshold of changing events which will bring about the end of one world period and the beginning of another. Ancient prophecies state that when stone tablets are returned to the center of the world the new age will begin. There are varied interpretations in many different cultures regarding what "the center of the world" means and where it is. Northeast Georgia was an assembly ground for the great Cherokee Indian Nation before the white man's greed for gold brought about the Trail of Tears. Cherokee Indian trails radiated in all directions from what is now Elberton, Georgia, and the Cherokee Indians held their Councils, their dances and their worship services of the Great Spirit there. They called the area Al-yeh-li-A-lo-Hee, the Center of the World. On a June afternoon in 1979 a stranger arrived in Elberton, Georgia and visited Wyatt Martin, president of the Granite City Bank, and Joe Fendley, president of the Elberton Granite Finishing Company. The stranger introduced himself as "R. C. Christian" but quickly explained that "Christian" wasn't his real name and the name "R. C. Christian" was only symbolic. He deposited a large sum (rumored to be in excess of $50,000) in an escrow account at the bank to be used to construct a monument of stone monoliths engraved with guidelines for humanity. The stranger left precise details as to the constuction of the monument and its engravings. Before he left that same afternoon "Mr. R. C. Christian" said he followed the teachings of Jesus Christ and that he represented a small group of Americans who believed as he did, in God and country, and they wished to leave a message for future generations. He also told the bank and granite company presidents that he would never see them again. Following the detailed plans this mysterious man left behind, work on the monuments was begun. The completed one hundred nineteen ton monument, seven miles north of Elberton, containing the largest granite blocks ever quarried, is topped with a twelve ton capstone. Written on each of the capstone's four sides in Egyptian Hieroglyphs, in ancient Babylonian Cuniform, in Sanskrit and in ancient classical Greek is the inscription: Let these be Guidestones of An Age of Reason." The mysterious monument, of quality blue granite and excellent workmanship and design, is an astronomical observatory with a sundial, a diagonal hole aligned to Polaris, the North Star, and a slit that marks the sunrise and the sunset at the winter and summer solstices. The mammoth upright granite slabs of the Georgia Guidestones list, in eight languages (Spanish, Arabic, Mandarin Chinese, Classican Hebrew, Swahili, Russian, Hindi, and English) ...the guidelines for humanity in the coming Age of Reason: [see next post (Georgia Guidestones Text) for complete text of the ten guidelines] This Stonehenge of the New World in North Georgia with its updated Ten Commandments is surrounded by a powerful eerie energy. The message of these Guidestones offers beautiful, peaceful, hopeful advice and guidelines to all of our earth's inhabitants who have the ears to hear and the courage to act with loving reason. ------end Ben Osborne and Sally Ann Smith material------ -----end forwarded message from ENCORE9016@AOL.COM------- Subj: Georgia Guidestones: Text Date: Mon, Aug 7, 1995 10:37 PM PDT From: Cyronwode@aol.com To: sustag-principles@amani.ces.ncsu.edu Follow-up #2 on the Georgia Guidestones: Text of the messages on the Guidestones, forwarded with permission from e-mail. My comments follow. -----begin forwarded message from ENCORE9016@AOL.COM------- Date: Mon, Aug 7, 1995 6:39 PM PDT From: ENCORE9016@AOL.COM Subj: The 10 Guides To: Cyronwode@aol.com From the printed handout provided by the Elberton Granite Museum: The guides, followed by explanatory precepts, are as follows. The words here are exactly as the Sponsors provided them. (Note: The 10th guide repeats the phrase twice for emphasis. It is engraved that way on the monument): ----------------------------------------------------------------------- * Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature. * ----------------------------------------------------------------------- (Means the entire human race at its climax level for permanent balance with nature.) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- * Guide reproduction wisely-improving fitness and diversity. * ----------------------------------------------------------------------- (Without going into details as yet undiscovered, this means humanity should apply reason and knowledge to guiding its own reproduction. "Fitness" could be translated as "health." "Diversity" could be translated as "variety.") ----------------------------------------------------------------------- * Unite humanity with a living new language. * ----------------------------------------------------------------------- (A "living" language grows and changes with advancing knowledge. A "new" language will be developed "de nevo"-and need not necessarily be adapted from any languages now in existence.) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- * Rule Passion-Faith-Tradition-and all things with tempered reason. * ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ("Faith" here may be used in a religious sense. Too often people are ruled by blind faith even when it may be contrary to reason. Reason must be tempered with compassion here--but must prevail.) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- * Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts. * ----------------------------------------------------------------------- (Courts must consider justice as well as law.) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- * Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court. * ----------------------------------------------------------------------- (Individual nations must be free to develop their own destinies at home as their own people wish--but cannot abuse their neighbors.) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- * Avoid petty laws and useless officials. * ----------------------------------------------------------------------- (Self-explanatory.) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- * Balance personal rights with social duties. * ----------------------------------------------------------------------- (Individuals have a natural concern for their personal welfare, but man is a social animal and must also be concerned for the group. Failure of society means failure for its individual citizens.) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- * Prize truth-beauty-love-seeking harmony with the infinite. * ----------------------------------------------------------------------- (The infinite here means the supreme being -- whose will is manifest in the workings of the cosmos -- if we will seek for it.) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- * Be not a cancer on the earth-Leave room for nature-Leave room for nature. * ----------------------------------------------------------------------- (In our time, the growth of humanity is destroying the natural conditions of the earth which have fostered all existing life. We must restore reasoned balance.) -----end forwarded message from ENCORE9016@AOL.COM------- To which all i can add is that the author of the Guidestones text seems to have been influenced by the textual style of Dr. Emanuel H. Bronner. Multiple-hyphenated admonitions like "Prize truth-beauty-love-seeking harmony with the infinite" and "Rule Passion-Faith-Tradition-and all things with tempered reason" are eerily reminiscent of Dr, Bronner's famed injunction, "Enjoy mint body rub to stimulate body-mind-soul-spirit & teach Hillel's Essene Moral ABC uniting all free in the African Shepherd Israel's great All-One-God-Faith!" or his equally notable "With full-truth our only God, we rally-raise-unite All-One! All-One! Exceptions eternally? None!!" (Note: for more on Dr. Bronner, his soap, and his Moral ABC, check out the usenet newsgroup alt.fan.dr-bronner. Complete Dr. Bronner label transcriptions are available from the group by request and are periodically reposted there to aquaint newcomers with the Bronnerian philosophy.) catherine yronwode (DON'T DRINK SOAP! KEEP OUT OF EYE! DILUTE! DILUTE! OK! ALL-ONE!)
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